Sunday, October 28, 2007

2.3 Bear Gear Assessment

Friday I had the day off and I decided to sit down, take a look at all the new Bear goodies coming out, and see what I want to put on my 'list to get'. After perusing World of Raids 2.3 PTR Encyclopedia and ooohing and aaahing over all the jpegs of items, I decided there had to be an easier way to assess the gear and decide what items were optimal. Unfortunately, there was not a quick and easy option...or, at least, not one I found. Why, oh why, couldn't Emmerald or Huge Hoss update their lists the second new gear comes out on the player test realm? Don't they know how impatient I am?

But wait! I have Rawr! Surely Rawr can help me! I rush to open it and go to the add new items tool and begin entering in my first item...unfortunately, it was unable to find any of the new items. Grrrr.... I test the add items tool with a currently existing item and it pops in nicely but, for some reason, it can't find the new content. /sigh

After I got over my disappointment with my prior, lazy methods of gear assessment, I finally came to the conclusion that I'm gonna have to do it 'old school'. Yep...spreadsheet time. Thankfully, I remember seeing a link to Huge Hoss's spreadsheet on the forum post linked above, so I go there and download it, and begin keying in all the new tank leather gear. After I got all that keyed in, I then entered in my current gear on the first tab so I can compare the stats with what Rawr shows (since they use the same calculations)...just to see if the program shows the same as the spreadsheet. Thankfully, it was close...not on the money exact same figures...but close enough for me. Yippy! That means the ranking numbers for the gear I entered is correct! Well, as long as I didn't transpose any numbers or make any typos...

The Point System

Before I freely hand you the results of my hard work and a whole day spent...let's first go over Huge Hoss's and Rawr's point system. They base gear ranking on Mitigation points and Survival points. Mitigation is based on the stats that help you avoid damage such as dodge, defense, and armor. Survival points are based on stats that help you absorb damage such as health. I don't know why the Mitigation and Survival points don't add up to the Score assigned. That's just the way the spreadsheet worked and who am I to question it? One last point to note is that the Score assigned through the spreadsheet does not match the scores listed on the forum post by Huge Hoss...again, I don't know why, but the order of the items seemed to stay the same and I'm really only concerned with where the new items fit in the order of rank.

Added Items

I added all the new leather items that were obviously Bear gear items. If I missed something you feel should be in the list, please let me know. I also added the Arena Season 3 items as well as Season 2 items. I don't know why season 2 was not in the spreadsheet's original listing.

Gem Assumptions

I made notes of the gems I assumed in the items I added. I used the highest ranked rare quality gem on Emmerald's list. Keep in mind that if you use epic gems, the score will improve. I do not know what gems were assumed in the items that the spreadsheet already had in its database as no notes in the spreadsheet were given.

Head

Score

Mitigation

Survival

Thunderheart Cover

2248

1402.2

1168.5

Nordrassil Headdress

2068

1245.8

1120.1

Deathblow X11 Goggles

1904

1356.4

733.6

Vengeful Gladiator's Dragonhide Helm1,2

1851

1030.5

1048.1

Stag-Helm of Malorne

1846

1201.9

904.6

Merciless Gladiator's Dragonhide Helm2

1696

931.9

977.1

Cowl of Beastly Rage

1564

975.0

812.5

Stylin' Purple Hat

1564

1115.2

584.5

Gladiator's Dragonhide Helm

1486

797.6

876.1

Mask of the Deceiver

1467

915.7

694.5

1 2.3 New item.

2 Assumes Powerful Earthstorm Diamond and Enduring Talasite.

Shoulder

Score

Mitigation

Survival

Thunderheart Pauldrons

1876

1293.6

842.3

Nordrassil Feral-Mantle

1771

1240.8

781.1

Vengeful Gladiator's Dragonhide Spaulders1,2

1663

1056.7

820.7

Mantle of Malorne

1533

1054.0

698.0

Shoulderpads of the Stranger

1424

1020.6

570.5

Merciless Gladiator's Dragonhide Spaulders2

1403

837.0

764.4

Shoulderpads of Dancing Blades1

1350

910.2

605.0

Gladiator's Dragonhide Spaulders

1289

791.0

674.1

Shoulderpads of Assassination

1209

826.2

506.2

High Warlord's Dragonhide Spaulders

1100

709.0

525.5

1 2.3 New items.

2 AssumesShifting Nightseye and Enduring Talasite.

Back

Score

Mitigation

Survival

Slikk's Cloak of Placation1

1225

778.8

619.6

Gilded Thorium Cloak

986

571.5

606.8

Thallasian Wildercloak

896

631.2

334.6

Thoriumweave Cloak

844

390.0

648.8

Resolute Cape

745

349.0

570.8

Bogstrok Scale Cloak

622

347.3

385.7

1 2.3 New items.

Chest

Score

Mitigation

Survival

Thunderheart Chestguard

2565

1664.2

1311.0

Nordrassil Chestplate

2314

1499.8

1195.4

Breastplate of Malorne

2234

1505.4

1077.3

Vestments of Hibernation1

2120

1512.0

968.8

Vengeful Gladiator's Dragonhide Tunic1,2

2075

1277.7

1077.5

Merciless Gladiator's Dragonhide Tunic2

1818

1081.1

998.4

Warden's Hauberk

1650

1176.4

614.0

Heavy Clefthoof Vest

1623

907.3

970.8

Gladiator's Dragonhide Tunic

1617

981.0

862.9

Wastewalker Tunic

1573

1028.0

707.8

Jerkin of the Untamed Spirit

1205

829.8

596.8

       

1 2.3 New items.

2 AssumesShifting Nightseye and Enduring Talasite.

     

Wrist

Score

Mitigation

Survival

Band of the Swift Paw1,2

1185

752.9

599.7

Vindicator's Dragonhide Bracers1,3

1091 

714.4 

505.5 

Vindicator's Leather Bracers1,2

1070 

685.1 

492.7 

Veteran's Leather Bracers2

1011 

665.1 

443.1 

Vambraces of Ending

1003

692.2

410.4

Veteran's Dragonhide Bracers3

958 

620.8 

454.3 

General's Leather Bracers

888

580.2

395.7

Forestheart Bracers

886

568.2

444.1

General's Dragonhide Bracers

839

525.8

427.1

Umberhowl's Collar

768

465.0

447.8

1 2.3 New items.

2 Assumes Endruing Talasite.

     

3 Assumes Shifting Nightseye.

     

Hands

Score

Mitigation

Survival

Thunderheart Gauntlets

1767

1201.4

849.6

Nordrassil Handgrips

1564

1010.8

820.9

Vengeful Gladiator's Dragonhide Gloves1

1429

931.8

681.6

Gloves of Dexterous Manipulation

1385

1019.2

497.1

Gauntlets of Malorne

1361

916.6

691.9

Wastewalker Gloves

1343

919.0

532.2

Gloves of the Unbound

1155

827.0

434.1

Trickster's Stickyfingers1

1137

804.0

471.4

Merciless Gladiator's Dragonhide Gloves

1131

673.6

627.6

Verdant Gloves

1047

650.6

598.4

Gladiator's Dragonhide Gloves

1018

632.6

534.9

1 2.3 New items.

Waist

Score

Mitigation

Survival

Belt of Natural Power3

1549 

938.2 

833.9

Waistguard of the Great Beast1,2

1494

955.8

735.1

Belt of One-Hundred Deaths

1394

998.4

534.5

Vindicator's Leather Belt1

1357 

865.2

633.9

Vindicator's Dragonhide Belt1

1294 

833.6 

622.5

Tree-Mender's Belt

1269

902.8

579.8

Veteran's Leather Belt

1246 

793.0

586.1

Girdle of Treachery

1203

738.6

579.3

Veteran's Dragonhide Belt

1191 

761.4

582.1

General's Leather Belt

1114

715.8

518.5

General's Dragonhide Belt

1074

700.6

512.9

Dunewind Sash

1042

752.8

384.2

Manimal's Cinch

920

568.8

530.4

1 2.3 New items.

2 Assumes Solid Star of Elune and Shifting Nightseye.

3 Assumes two Shifting Nightseyes.

     

Legs

Score

Mitigation

Survival

Thunderheart Leggings

2340

1565.0

1162.3

Nordrassil Feral-Kilt

2201

1494.2

1075.7

Shady Dealer's Pantaloons

1953

1308.0

859.7

Greaves of Malorne

1837

1228.8

941.6

Vengeful Gladiator's Dragonhide Leggards1

1752

1123.8

865.0

Forestwalker Kilt

1698

1158.2

785.2

Shallow Grave Trousers1

1698

1181.0

711.7

Skulker's Greaves

1678

1178.0

677.3

Heavy Clefthoof Leggings

1585

956.0

883.4

Merciless Gladiator's Dragonhide Laggards

1521

950.6

791.3

Wastewalker Leggings

1508

1047.2

606.5

Gladiator's Dragonhide Legguards

1466

933.6

744.7

Ash Tempered Legguards

1236

769.4

710.8

     

1 2.3 New items.

     

Feet

Score

Mitigation

Survival

Footwraps of Wild Encroachment1,2

1561

1056.3

727.4

Treads of the Den Mother

1549

998.6

794.9

Boots of Effortless Striking

1493

1050.8

598.5

Boots of Natural Grace

1463

952.4 

758.3 

Vindicator's Leather Boots1

1442 

922.2 

690.9

Vindicator's Dragonhide Boots1

1380 

890.6 

679.5 

Nimble-foot Treads

1376

1098.3

391.7

Edgewalker Longboots

1352

930.8

561.0

Zierhut's Lost Treads

1344

905.2

645.6

Veterant's Leather Boots

1326

846.0 

639.1

Veteran's Dragonhide Boots

1271 

814.4 

635.1

Barkchip Boots

1236

793.6

628.1

Heavy Clefthoof Boots

1206

698.9

706.2

General's Leather Boots

1186

763.8

566.5

General's Dragonhide Boots

1146

748.6

560.9

Supple Leather Boots

908

554.4

534.0

       

1 2.3 New items.

2 Assumes Shifting Nightseye and Enduring Talasite.

   

19 comments:

BigBearButt said...

Awesome work, Mooire!

Before I start going and computing how many heroics I will have to run to earn the badges I need to buy everything on the same day, let me ask you one question....

why is the Shoulders: Mantle of Shadowy Embrace not on the list at all? Are the Shoulders of Assassination really better?

Ferocious Bite said...

I don't know why they are not on the list. I used Huge Hoss's list and only added 2.3 items. I don't know why it's not in the original spreadsheet, but it ranks at 1222 as I just plugged it in to get it's score.

Ferocious Bite said...

My bad...made a typo on the spreadsheet. The Mantle of Shadowy Embrace is 1355...updating main post in a second.

BigBearButt said...

Thank you mooire, I didnt expect you to do all that work, I just was curious where it would rank since im planning on nialing my heroics to get it...

and for what its worth, my Feedreader sees every post youve made lately

Ferocious Bite said...

Every one? LOL, then you got all the funky test posts that I deleted. hehehee

No biggie on adding it, it's quick and easy to do so.

Lypi said...

Thank you, ZOMG this is so awesome, you have saved a whole heap of bears a lot of work.

Now do the same for kitty DPS, lol XD (just kidding)

Thanks again!

Karthis said...

Nice work. =)

Ferocious Bite said...

@ Lypi

Well, right now, I'm looking at one of Emmerald's spreadsheets for Bear gear. I'm hoping I can get his ranking for the new items as well. I generally look at both Emmerald's and Huge Hoss's lists as well as the stats of the items and what I need to work on to decide what my gear choices will be. Once I get that done, I'll look at doing the kitty ones too. :)

@ Karthis

Thanks! :)

Lypi said...

I also notice you used the "General's" PVP items in your list. I assume this is because that's what Hugehoss used, but the upgrade to those, the "Veteran's" is more relevant, and I'd love to see where the 2.3 PVP upgrade - the "Vindicator's" will fit in with your calculations. I hate PVP and BGs, but I'll grind em if I have to.

Dean said...

Great work but you're also missing Boots of Natural Grace http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30041 and Belt of Natural Power http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30042

Ferocious Bite said...

@ Lypi and Dean

I used the list that was currently in Huge Hoss's spreadsheet and then added the 2.3 items as well as Season 2 arena gear. I don't know why the items you guys listed weren't originally in his list. But, I will add them later this evening. :)

Dean said...

Thanks, am very interested to see how the Boots compare (given I spend around 600g on them just a few weeks back!)

Kuakgan said...

Nice job!

But did you forget about the upcoming 2.3 BG-rewards?

Vindicator's Belt, Boots and Bracers.

Would be interesting to see how they stack up from a tanking perspective :)

Ferocious Bite said...

I haven't forgotten about the requested additions. I've been busy with work...the end/beginning of the month is my busiest. :( I should have the PvP gear and other items added by the weekend!

Kuakgan said...

Working before updating the gearlists? Get your priorities straight!

But seriously, great job, I've been looking for something like this to be able to properly prepare for 2.3. So thanks for your efforts, much appreciated! :)

Snagor said...

Vindicator's Boots: 1380
Vindicator's Belt: 1294
Vindicator's Bracers: 1091
Belt of Natural Power: 1549
Boots of Natural Grace:1463

Using Hoss's spreadsheet yielded the above results for those asking (assuming 4agi/6sta gems).
-Snagor

Ferocious Bite said...

Ack! I took too long and someone has done my work for me...oh, wait, that's a good thing. ;)

Thanks Snagger! I was planning on getting those updated tomorrow morning. It's been a busy week. :(

Mike said...

What gems are you using in the Warden's Hauberk to get it such a high value?

Anonymous said...

Where does Insidious Bands fit into the wrist section? Is the new heroic reward better than gorefiend loot? frowny face if it is...